Fidonet <=> Internet
Vojenska akademie
vabo at arwen.ics.muni.cz
Wed Dec 22 07:28:48 CET 1993
Vazeni kolegove,
jisteho casu se zde (i na fidu) diskutovalo o problemech vymeny elektronicke
posty mezi sitemi Internet a Fidonet. Zde je tedy moje troska do mlyna
shrnuti postrehu a zkusenosti s touto problematikou. Samozrejme, ze gatewaye
a jejich adresace jsou jednoznacne definovane, nicmene i tak se da zazit
spousta legrace :-) ci spise :-(
1. SMER INTERNET => FIDONET
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S timto smerem nejsou veskrze zadne problemy. Adresa prijemce na fidonetu
(v tomto pripade moje - Josef Jaluvka na uzlu 2:421/18.0) ma pruhledny
internetovsky tvar
josef.jaluvka at p0.f18.n421.z2.fidonet.org
a zbytek je naprosto totozny s beznym posilanim posty po internetu.
Tusim, ze nekde jsem zahledl, ze existuji i dalsi gatewaye mimo fidonet.org,
nicmene tento je uvaden jako stezejni ve vsech popisech, ktere mi kdy byly
k mani. Pokud by nekdo narazil na pripadny evropsky gateway bylo by to
jiste prinosem zejmena z casoveho hlediska prenosu posty.
Nasleduje jedna takova zprava zaslana z internetu od uzivatele
vabo at arwen.ics.muni.cs (tehdy jeste cs, nyni cz :-) do fidonetu.
- Area: Lokalni uzivatelska posta na teto BBS --------------------------------
Msg#: 66 Pvt Rec'd Local Date: 15 Feb 93 02:12:48
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To: Josef Jaluvka Mark:
Subj: Test message
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>From m2xenix!arwen.ics.muni.cs!vabo
From: vabo at arwen.ics.muni.cs (Vojenska akademie)
To: josef.jaluvka at p0.f18.n421.z2.fidonet.org
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 9:57:12 CET
This is message sending from Internet node! J.J.
@Via 1:105/42, 11:12:55 UTC, February 15, 1993 - Rts v1.57
@Via Dutchie 2:500/1 Tue Feb 16 09:21:36 1993 UTC
@Via TrackM+ 2:29/777.0 at fidonet.org Tue 16 Feb 1993 09:54
@Via Ping 2:310/7 at fidonet.eur, Feb 16 1993 at 20:23 UTC
@Via FrontDoor 2:420/103 at FidoNet.org, Feb 17 1993 at 17:31
@Via FrontDoor 2:420/6 at Fidonet, Feb 19 1993 at 2:46
@Via D'Bridge 1.51 2:421/13 02/19 03:04
@Via TrackM 2:421/13.0 at fidonet Fri 19 Feb 1993 03:33
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Z datumu odeslani a prijeti zpravy je videt, ze doba potrebna k doruceni
je cca 4 dny.
Jediny zadrhel, ktery zde muze nastat je ten, ze prijemce na strane fida
je 'obycejnym' BBS userem a nikoli uzlem ci pointem. V tomto pripade musi
vas sysop bud projevit ochotu a doslou postu (netmail) vam forwardnout do
local posty nebo vam zpristupnit inkriminovanou postovni oblast NetMail,
coz ale v zadnem pripade neni jeho povinnost!
2. SMER FIDONET => INTERNET
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Prave s timto smerem byvaji spojeny nejvetsi potize. V dobe experimentovani
jsem byl prave na fidonetu onim obycejnym BBS userem, kteremu sysop uzlu
2:421/18 projevil dobrou vuli a zpristupnil na sve BBS netmail. Tehdy jsem
pro postu pouzival off-line reader Blue Wave, ktery umoznuje si z BBSky
stahnout balik nove posty, vklidu doma ji pak zpracovat a pri dalsim
prihlaseni se na BBS odeslat svoji novou postu.
Nicmene vysledek experimentovani uspech neprinesl. Bylo znamo, ze adresatem
musi byt Uucp a fidonet adresa gatewaye. Dale bylo znamo, ze mail musi mit
definovanou strukturu. Prvni radek mailu musi mit nasledujici tvar:
To: vabo at arwen.ics.muni.cz
t.j. adresata. Za timto radkem musi nasledovat prazdny radek. Vlastni text
zpravy tedy zacina od tretiho radku. I presto se mail vratil zpatky.
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To: Josef Jaluvka Mark:
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Tak toto je poslano z fida! J.J.
@Via 1:105/42, 7:42:18 UTC, May 27, 1993 - Rts v1.57
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Vsechny formalni pozadavky byly dodrzeny a zahada byla jakz takz objasnena
po jednom forwardu zpravy od Postmastera, ktera se objevila na fidonetu.
Celkem nenapadne byla v textu ukryta veta, ve ktere stalo, ze nektere mailery
delaji neplechu a doplnuji jmena mezerou, coz gateway nepripousti. Baliky
Blue Wave readeru jsem nerozpitvaval, nicmene myslim, ze prave tohle byla
pricina problemu.
V posledni dobe jsem na fidonetu zprovoznil vlastni point 2:421/27.10
vyuzivajice Front Door mailer a k experimentovani s gatewayem se vratil. Prvni
pokus sice uspesny nebyl - adresoval jsem postu na americky gateway, ktery
nebyl pro Evropu urcen - nicmene dalsi pokusy jiz byly O.K. Gateway uzly
jsou ty, jez jsou ve fidonet nodelistu oznaceny priznakem GUUCP.
Prvni uspesny mail byl smerovan na americky gateway 1:105/42 a doba potrebna
k doruceni necelych 7 dnu:
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From: Josef.Jaluvka at p10.f27.n421.z2.fidonet.org (Josef Jaluvka)
Subject: Pokus do internetu
To: vabo at arwen.ics.muni.cz
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Pokus cislo dva o to dostat se mailem do inetu tentokrat pres 1:105/42.
Ciao
Pepa
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Dalsi etapou bylo zrychlit prenos pres jiny gateway. Zkousel jsem italsky
2:33/800 a doba pri uvazeni skutecneho odeslani posty mailerem se zkratila
na cca 4 dny:
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From: Josef.Jaluvka at f27.n421.z2.wolf.fidonet.org (Josef Jaluvka)
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Subject: Tentokrat do inetu pres Italy
To: vabo at arwen.ics.muni.cz
Status: RO
Tentokrat kratsi cestou pres 2:33/800.
Ciao
Pepa
* Origin: VABO Point (2:421/27.10)
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A zaverem posledni pokus, nejrychlejsi cesta pres Tyrolsky gateway 2:317/6:
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From: p10.f27.n421.z2 at gw1-x203.uibk.ac.at (Josef_Jaluvka)
To: vabo at arwen.ics.muni.cz
Subject: Dalsi pokus pres gate
Status: RO
Tak tentokrate pres 2:317/6.
Ciao
Pepa
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S pozdravem
Josef Jaluvka
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